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In which Anji takes apart Zack Snyder's cute little idea of a movie and beats him about the face and neck with it for being criminally stupid.
So. Watched Sucker Punch yesterday.
Visually? OMG, fucking epic. Content wise? Content? What content? What is this content thing you speak of?
*sigh*
Zack, Zack, Zack. You can't do that with an action movie. Or, more accurately, decide what kind of fucking film you are trying to make and *make that.*
Oh. It could have been so good. No really. It could have been fucking *epic*. But when the first act of your Hera is to have her kill her baby sister, you are made of total fail. Ten minutes not even in and you have already lost your audience, shithead. *You cannot do that and retain audience sympathy. You fucking can't.*
Have her and Evil (Cardboard Cut-out) Step-Father fight for the gun. Have it discharge. Have it truly be an accident. Have her at least *wound* the ECCSF, so that we're not left at the end going, "Wait, what about the ECCSF? He gets off scott-free???" but I run ahead of myself.
But having her gun her baby sister down by accident? You fucking fridged the Non-Existent Character of Baby Sister in less then five minutes?
Fail.
So out the gate, we're screwed.
And then, then you can't decide what movie you're making. Is this a horror film? If it is, *go there*. Don't keep cutting away from the gorey bits. Or tell the MPAA to fuck themselves and make the R-Rated film you so clearly meant to make. But don't pussy out. Horror I can relate to.
This? This just pissed me off, because there are moments, oh shiny shiny moments where I saw where it could have been so fucking wonderful. Never mind that you watched one too many anime films and clearly have a hard-on for girls in skimpy school girl uniforms and weapons. I do too. Her shoes alone were fucking fantastic! The costuming was off the fucking hook!
But. Dude.
Awesome visuals and awesome costumes and awesome fucking music (no really, the soundtrack kicks major ass), and Scott Glenn as the Ghost of Babydoll's Real Father (no really, he is, trust me) being awesome, do not a movie make. Seriously. They don't.
I love eye candy as much as the other person. But film actually is about story, no matter what the French may say.
So here you have this truly gorgeous visual thing and it has no spine to hang on. No characters. No reason for it to breathe. It just lays there.
We alternate between Babydoll having massive agency and then being stupider then a sack of hammers. Again. DUDE. You cannot fucking do that.
Here's the thing. Like horror, action films are fundamentally morality plays. Go back and watch the section in Scream where the Film Geek explains to our characters what Horror must and must not do. Action Film has a similar credo. Your Hero/Hera must have agency. They must be competent. MUST BE. No one gives a shit about an idiot of a Hero/Hera. In fact, *you will lose your audience* putting forth an idiot in an action film.
Oh. Wait. You did that.
*sigh*
Fail.
Also, the Wicked must be punished. End of statement. You can have your Hero/Hera lose everything and everyone. You can have everyone die around them. But each and every death must Buy You Something. A tool, a weapon, a chance, even if that cost is too fucking high. In fact, the whole motivation for the Hero/Hera becomes the whole "this has cost too much and now I'm going to make you fucking pay and suffer for what you have taken from me." Don't believe me? I submit First Blood. Go. Watch. I'll wait here.
Back?
Okay.
This doesn't mean you can't have your Hero/Hera fail. Not win. But then you're not making an Action Film, you're making a Tragedy and you need to sell it as such. Now, was Sucker Punch a Marketing Fail, because it was set up as an Action Film and not a Tragedy?
Eh.
Maybe. It's hard here to say. But if you sell me an Action Film and then give me a Tragedy, I'm going to be pissed as an audience.
Oh. Wait. We were pissed.
So we get to the end of the film. ECCSF? Gets away with it. Gets away with having Babydoll lobotomized. Gets away with the baby sister's death. Gets away with all the fucking money. Oh, but wait, the useless shrink feels bad. What. Ever.
Dude. This isn't Brazil. You didn't show us Babydoll living in a paradise now that she's been lobotomized. You show us *nothing.* You try to throw this bait and switch that it was always about Sweetpea.
Nuh-uh, jackass. I hated that shit in Saving Private Ryan and I hate it here even more. If you set up a Main Character and then figured out you didn't know how to write a way to save her, you need to go back to Page Fucking One and set it up through Sweetpea's eyes. You have Sweetpea seeing Babydoll coming in. You have her finding out Babydoll's story. You have her figuring out as it goes along that Babydoll is her Angel.
But you didn't do that, did you?
You got lost. And so did we.
But if you had done that? If you had started with the commitment scene. Showed everything else as flashback, without character, when you bust out that it was about Sweetpea? That the Wise Man and Babydoll are her Angels, sent to bust her out?
I woulda bought it.
Maybe.
But that's the thing. We don't get character. There's no time to explain why Rocket ran away. No time to explain why Babydoll's Mother married the ECCSF. No backstory for *anyone*. You don't even set them up as decent ciphers. They're all just Costume and no Soul. Dude, those images only work for a Japanese audience. We don't have an entire anime lexicon that understands Badass School Girl, Naughty Badass Nurse and Conflicted Badass Loner with Hood. That's not our visual language. I get that you think it's soooo cool, because you watched a lot of that stuff. But if you don't back end it in for US audiences, you've got nothing. And even the Japanese know how to sell backstory!
But the worst part? You hinge all of the failure of the girls grand plan on them being criminally stupid after showing them being badasses for over an hour. You actually have them leave their master plan on a blackboard. As if none of them will remember the plan. As if it can't be erased. As if what kind of fucking bonehead leaves their escape plan where someone can fucking find it???
And then you have two of the characters just gunned down? Their deaths buy nothing? We get no chance, no tool, no weapon. Just murdered. It's not even motivation for Babydoll, whose the only one there to witness. And oh, again, story can't be about Sweetpea, because *she doesn't fucking see the other girls get killed, jackass.*
We just watch the girls get fridged and oh wee, Babydoll knifes Blue, *but fails to kill him.* AGAIN. She fails to kill the ECCSF and now Blue. She's fucking incompetent. See again how you cannot have a fucking incompetent Action Hera! In fact, the *men* get away with killing the girls, but none of the girls succeed in evening the score.
*headdesk*
You have some issues you want to talk about, Zack?
But there were bits in the script.
Oh.
I wanted so much more.
"You have been given all the weapons you need. Now fight!"
This could have been such a fucking clarion call. You needed it three times. But we only get it twice. It should have been at the end, *Babydoll* telling Sweetpea this. Not Sweetpea. Not if she's the one who escapes. That's Storytelling 101 if Babydoll's the Angel, you idiot.
"Everyone has an Angel. A Guardian who watches over us. We can't know what form they'll take. One day, old man. Next day, little girl. But don't let appearances fool you. They can be as fierce as any dragon. Yet they're not here to fight our battles. But to whisper from our hearts. Reminding that it's us. It's everyone of us who holds power over the world we create."
This last bit? This was your story. This right here could have kicked ten sorts of ass.
But you didn't tell this story.
And that's what pissed me off. Because that story? Oh. That story I would have loved to have seen.
And we didn't get it. Because Girls can't be Badasses. Bad Girls must be punished and if they do get away, it's because of someone else's sacrifice.
*sigh*
I've seen this story before. I didn't like it the ten previous times before either.
But y'know what? Some day, someone beside Josh Whedon is going to pick up that poor little blond girl. Is going to give her agency and all the weapons she needs. Is going to give her strong warrior compatriots and is going to set her loose on the world. And when that day comes, I will buy all the movie tickets and all the popcorn that can be bought.
And if no one else does? Well, y'know what?
I will.
Oh wait. I already have.
Say hello, Alice.
So. Watched Sucker Punch yesterday.
Visually? OMG, fucking epic. Content wise? Content? What content? What is this content thing you speak of?
*sigh*
Zack, Zack, Zack. You can't do that with an action movie. Or, more accurately, decide what kind of fucking film you are trying to make and *make that.*
Oh. It could have been so good. No really. It could have been fucking *epic*. But when the first act of your Hera is to have her kill her baby sister, you are made of total fail. Ten minutes not even in and you have already lost your audience, shithead. *You cannot do that and retain audience sympathy. You fucking can't.*
Have her and Evil (Cardboard Cut-out) Step-Father fight for the gun. Have it discharge. Have it truly be an accident. Have her at least *wound* the ECCSF, so that we're not left at the end going, "Wait, what about the ECCSF? He gets off scott-free???" but I run ahead of myself.
But having her gun her baby sister down by accident? You fucking fridged the Non-Existent Character of Baby Sister in less then five minutes?
Fail.
So out the gate, we're screwed.
And then, then you can't decide what movie you're making. Is this a horror film? If it is, *go there*. Don't keep cutting away from the gorey bits. Or tell the MPAA to fuck themselves and make the R-Rated film you so clearly meant to make. But don't pussy out. Horror I can relate to.
This? This just pissed me off, because there are moments, oh shiny shiny moments where I saw where it could have been so fucking wonderful. Never mind that you watched one too many anime films and clearly have a hard-on for girls in skimpy school girl uniforms and weapons. I do too. Her shoes alone were fucking fantastic! The costuming was off the fucking hook!
But. Dude.
Awesome visuals and awesome costumes and awesome fucking music (no really, the soundtrack kicks major ass), and Scott Glenn as the Ghost of Babydoll's Real Father (no really, he is, trust me) being awesome, do not a movie make. Seriously. They don't.
I love eye candy as much as the other person. But film actually is about story, no matter what the French may say.
So here you have this truly gorgeous visual thing and it has no spine to hang on. No characters. No reason for it to breathe. It just lays there.
We alternate between Babydoll having massive agency and then being stupider then a sack of hammers. Again. DUDE. You cannot fucking do that.
Here's the thing. Like horror, action films are fundamentally morality plays. Go back and watch the section in Scream where the Film Geek explains to our characters what Horror must and must not do. Action Film has a similar credo. Your Hero/Hera must have agency. They must be competent. MUST BE. No one gives a shit about an idiot of a Hero/Hera. In fact, *you will lose your audience* putting forth an idiot in an action film.
Oh. Wait. You did that.
*sigh*
Fail.
Also, the Wicked must be punished. End of statement. You can have your Hero/Hera lose everything and everyone. You can have everyone die around them. But each and every death must Buy You Something. A tool, a weapon, a chance, even if that cost is too fucking high. In fact, the whole motivation for the Hero/Hera becomes the whole "this has cost too much and now I'm going to make you fucking pay and suffer for what you have taken from me." Don't believe me? I submit First Blood. Go. Watch. I'll wait here.
Back?
Okay.
This doesn't mean you can't have your Hero/Hera fail. Not win. But then you're not making an Action Film, you're making a Tragedy and you need to sell it as such. Now, was Sucker Punch a Marketing Fail, because it was set up as an Action Film and not a Tragedy?
Eh.
Maybe. It's hard here to say. But if you sell me an Action Film and then give me a Tragedy, I'm going to be pissed as an audience.
Oh. Wait. We were pissed.
So we get to the end of the film. ECCSF? Gets away with it. Gets away with having Babydoll lobotomized. Gets away with the baby sister's death. Gets away with all the fucking money. Oh, but wait, the useless shrink feels bad. What. Ever.
Dude. This isn't Brazil. You didn't show us Babydoll living in a paradise now that she's been lobotomized. You show us *nothing.* You try to throw this bait and switch that it was always about Sweetpea.
Nuh-uh, jackass. I hated that shit in Saving Private Ryan and I hate it here even more. If you set up a Main Character and then figured out you didn't know how to write a way to save her, you need to go back to Page Fucking One and set it up through Sweetpea's eyes. You have Sweetpea seeing Babydoll coming in. You have her finding out Babydoll's story. You have her figuring out as it goes along that Babydoll is her Angel.
But you didn't do that, did you?
You got lost. And so did we.
But if you had done that? If you had started with the commitment scene. Showed everything else as flashback, without character, when you bust out that it was about Sweetpea? That the Wise Man and Babydoll are her Angels, sent to bust her out?
I woulda bought it.
Maybe.
But that's the thing. We don't get character. There's no time to explain why Rocket ran away. No time to explain why Babydoll's Mother married the ECCSF. No backstory for *anyone*. You don't even set them up as decent ciphers. They're all just Costume and no Soul. Dude, those images only work for a Japanese audience. We don't have an entire anime lexicon that understands Badass School Girl, Naughty Badass Nurse and Conflicted Badass Loner with Hood. That's not our visual language. I get that you think it's soooo cool, because you watched a lot of that stuff. But if you don't back end it in for US audiences, you've got nothing. And even the Japanese know how to sell backstory!
But the worst part? You hinge all of the failure of the girls grand plan on them being criminally stupid after showing them being badasses for over an hour. You actually have them leave their master plan on a blackboard. As if none of them will remember the plan. As if it can't be erased. As if what kind of fucking bonehead leaves their escape plan where someone can fucking find it???
And then you have two of the characters just gunned down? Their deaths buy nothing? We get no chance, no tool, no weapon. Just murdered. It's not even motivation for Babydoll, whose the only one there to witness. And oh, again, story can't be about Sweetpea, because *she doesn't fucking see the other girls get killed, jackass.*
We just watch the girls get fridged and oh wee, Babydoll knifes Blue, *but fails to kill him.* AGAIN. She fails to kill the ECCSF and now Blue. She's fucking incompetent. See again how you cannot have a fucking incompetent Action Hera! In fact, the *men* get away with killing the girls, but none of the girls succeed in evening the score.
*headdesk*
You have some issues you want to talk about, Zack?
But there were bits in the script.
Oh.
I wanted so much more.
"You have been given all the weapons you need. Now fight!"
This could have been such a fucking clarion call. You needed it three times. But we only get it twice. It should have been at the end, *Babydoll* telling Sweetpea this. Not Sweetpea. Not if she's the one who escapes. That's Storytelling 101 if Babydoll's the Angel, you idiot.
"Everyone has an Angel. A Guardian who watches over us. We can't know what form they'll take. One day, old man. Next day, little girl. But don't let appearances fool you. They can be as fierce as any dragon. Yet they're not here to fight our battles. But to whisper from our hearts. Reminding that it's us. It's everyone of us who holds power over the world we create."
This last bit? This was your story. This right here could have kicked ten sorts of ass.
But you didn't tell this story.
And that's what pissed me off. Because that story? Oh. That story I would have loved to have seen.
And we didn't get it. Because Girls can't be Badasses. Bad Girls must be punished and if they do get away, it's because of someone else's sacrifice.
*sigh*
I've seen this story before. I didn't like it the ten previous times before either.
But y'know what? Some day, someone beside Josh Whedon is going to pick up that poor little blond girl. Is going to give her agency and all the weapons she needs. Is going to give her strong warrior compatriots and is going to set her loose on the world. And when that day comes, I will buy all the movie tickets and all the popcorn that can be bought.
And if no one else does? Well, y'know what?
I will.
Oh wait. I already have.
Say hello, Alice.
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Date: 2011-07-05 08:25 pm (UTC)That is fucking perfect. Yes. *That*.
I mostly write from a dialogue standpoint, so for me, it's the most grating thing.
Really, it's the treatment of women, period, that is made of fail in Snyder's work. Seriously. Dude's got some major issues.
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Date: 2011-07-05 08:50 pm (UTC)I can accept work that has mediocre dialogue if it's got something going for it. Certainly, no one is about to give David Lynch any prizes for snappy, naturalistic dialogue, but given the weird dream logic of his oeuvre, that's not really the point.
To a point, I can accept that there are certain generic tropes that aren't exactly positive in their treatment of women -- femmes fatales are seldom feminist archetypes -- but there's a limit, and that limit falls well short of literally and explicitly categorizing all the female characters as virgins or whores.
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Date: 2011-07-05 08:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-07-05 09:05 pm (UTC)I was so angry.
So not their target market.